Ta 152 H Nose Measurements

[Peter Ewbank]

I'm currently working on the Ta 152 H blueprints, but I have found late in the project that I do not have the following measurements; can anyone help?

[Peter Ewbank]

Here's the reason why. I have the measurements and geometry for the tail, I just haven't put it on the drawing yet. It is a fully dimensioned drawing for the Ta 152 H. This drawing will be straight and true and with dimensions on it so all one has to do is drop it into a 3D app and start drawing. Fuselage cross sections are already done as well. ' Just need the front bit.

[bigz]

Cant help you out on the nose Peter. But the canopy is not suitable for the H.

[kweetnix]

Here's the reason why. I have the measurements and geometry for the tail, I just haven't put it on the drawing yet. It is a fully dimensioned drawing for the Ta 152 H. This drawing will be straight and true and with dimensions on it so all one has to do is drop it into a 3D app and start drawing. Fuselage cross sections are already done as well. ' Just need the front bit.

I hope you'll find them. Making plans based on factory drawings for 3d modelers is a brilliant idea. You could include separate bitmaps (left, right, top, front view, etc) in different resolutions (1024x1024, 2048x2048): ready to use backdrops!

I'll buy them, for sure...

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[Peter Ewbank]

Attached is the latest update on the Ta 152 project. Am focusing for the moment on the E Photo Reconnaissance version. This version had the shorter wet wing from the Ta 152 C - an A-8 wing with a new centre section for the fuel tanks. Later I will finish the Ta 152 H. Am currently trying to find out whether or not the E version had the pressurised cockpit, photo reference is scant. Am also thinking that the E version had a different cooling gill arrangement behind the standard H version radiator. The nose is currently set up with a 0º 35' upwards inclination, but this may change once I get confirmation of the correct set-up for the engine mounted Mk 108 cannon.

[bigz]

Hopefully the new offerings from Eagle and Monogram may shed some more light on the E version when they become available. I take it you have seen the the recently released 152E photos from Japan?

[Peter Ewbank]

I won't be waiting for these books to be published. Spoke to Arthur Bentley on the phone for 2 hours last week and the author of Luftfahrt International and Pawlas has been a big help also. I'll publish within a few weeks when the final details become clear.

[Peter Ewbank]

Thanks Bigz, yes I have seen the photos published in the hobby link magazine. These are the photos that are leading me to the conclusion that the Ta 152 E had a differently arranged set of gills behind the radiator when compared to the NASM Ta 152 H. See the attached. I think this power unit was lifted from a Ta 152 E. Note the gill arrangement compared to the Ta 152 H at the NASM.

[Peter Ewbank]

Forgot to attach -

[bigz]

Peter I have a few recent photos of the H. I cant see a difference in the gills apart from they are almost closed. Another place I found diffcult to find any accurate information is the drop tank area(trestle hides it on the H in storage).

[Peter Ewbank]

Thanks Bigz, see attached re gill layout for E version vs H version.

[bigz]

The photo with the orange spots was kindly taken for me by Gary Heathcoat in order to do a photgramatic survey of the 152(unfortunately the angle of seperation between shots wasn't good enough:( ). The other side differs. Although not one of Gary's this shot maybe of help.

[Peter Ewbank]

OK. There goes my theory out the window. Bigz, do you have the measurements for one or both of those gill panels? You must have asked your photographer friend to measure something. FYI, I'm also searching around for a blueprint of the fitting that connects the engine to the engine bearer.

[bigz]

OK. There goes my theory out the window. Bigz, do you have the measurements for one or both of those gill panels? You must have asked your photographer friend to measure something. FYI, I'm also searching around for a blueprint of the fitting that connects the engine to the engine bearer.

Unfortunately not:( . I was given the overall length thats all. I would have been able to accurately give you any panel size if the project had been carried out correctly. Although my thanks to Gary for trying and sending some great shots.

Sorry I cant be of more help at present Peter. Regarding the E-1 wasnt it a DB engine and C wings and no pressurised cockpit ? If memory serves the E-2 would have had the Jumo engine, H wings and pressurised cockpit. Have you found details of the camera mounting, monitor and sight?

[Peter Ewbank]

I've been sent a scan of an original Fw Manufacturing summary. There's no mention of the E-2, but it states that the Ta 152 E-1 is the same airframe as the Ta 152 C but with a Jumo 213 E installed. Camera is RB 75/30 im rumpf. I'm assuming it is installed in the standard Fw 190 Rumpf position, but have not checked how it interferes with the MW 50 installation (if at all) yet. I would have expected to see the E-2 listed on the document that I have, but it is not there. Maybe the E-2 is a post-war myth?

[Peter Ewbank]

Point of clarification, the document states that the E-1 has the C wet wing as well as the C Rumpf, but with the Jumo 213 E installed.

[3dpointcloud]

Let me know where all of these planes are located, maybe there is one I can get to when I start scanning at muesuems. I will be heading out back east at some point to scan the Sirkorsky s-42 flying boat.

Wendell Olson
Aeronautica 3D
www.3dpointcloud.com
www.aeronautica3d.com

[Peter Ewbank]

Thanks Wendell, I believe the Ta 152 H is in storage at the NASM. If anyone has a photo of the top of the nose focussing straight down the centre-line towards the cockpit and also the bottom, that would be very useful. Bigz is the expert (or at least the mega-enthusiast) on where everything is re surviving aircraft and documentation.

[3dpointcloud]

yes, I also need to get to the NASM. I was in contact with an official there who takes care of the Wright plane. I had wanted to scan it while I was on the east coast. When I get my new format up on my site, I will allow visitors to email me what aircraft they would like scanned while I'm there. So I'll have a list and see how many I can get scanned if people are interested in puchasing the data. The costs to scan are brought down if I can scan a bunch of planes at once, near the same location. I will have this all explained on the site - hopefully by late tomorrow.

Wendell
Aeronautica 3D

[bigz]

Wendall the 152 is in the Paul E. Garber Preservation, Restoration and Storage Facility in Suitland, Maryland.

I would be very intrested in seeing it scanned using a laser. I am extremely envious as the photogramatic program I am using requires too much work to produce good results and skill in locating the shots. Although I do see it being an excellent tool for archive photographs with a bit more development.

http://www.photomodeler.com/index.htm

[bigz]

Peter unfortunately I dont have any recent shots of the top of the cowling looking towards the canopy. Most of the shots I have were all taken at 4-5' high so I have some good side shots but no coverage of the top or bottom(reason why I couldn't attempt the survey). Pm your email and I will send you what I have uncompressed. The vents on the top of cowling ring a crudely sheet pressed items(pressed inwards).

[Peter Ewbank]

Here's where I'm up to with the Ta 152. Only a few small things needed now - the correct upwards angle to counter trajectory fall-off for the Mk 108 engine mounted cannon. Currently, I have 0º 43' ± 4' from the Mk 108 as fitted to the Bf 109 G. Am presuming it to be the same, but hope to find specific reference to the Ta 152. All Factory Ta 152 E, H and C drawings show the engine thrust line to be parallel to the horizontal fuselage datum line. Am presuming that it would be changed from parallel in the field in front of a target.

[Peter Ewbank]

Here's an update on the Fuselage. Wing attachment points haven't been put in yet. This drawing has the engine in the right place now - drawn as per the factory blueprints - without the engine being inclined upwards to range the Mk 108. Have recently been provided with a whole new set of Factory Drawings, so now have as much data as anyone could wish for - this has been a Godsend.

[Galgot]

Wow! This will be a gem for anyone wanting to do a super realitic Ta 152 model, or even for restorers...That's some big work. I've done some few airplanes scaleplans myself, never as detailled and presise as that, and i know the work involved. Impressed.

Btw, why not putting this thread in the 2d section ?

[Deetz]

Awesome! I see a Ta 152 in my future. :)

Deetz

[Peter Ewbank]

Thanks Deetz, Galgot, I'll be moving onto the top view, wings etc soon. Fuselage cross sections are done (from factory drawings). Am working on restoring a scan of some factory BMW 801 H, S and U nose and cowl general arrangement blueprints at the moment.

[Peter Ewbank]

Here's the low-down on the Fw 190 D compared to the Ta 152 H. Red lines are Ta 152 and blue line are Fw 190 D (9). Factory drawing references: 8-152 K-12 Bl 1, 8-190.313, 8-190.166-33, 8-190.332, W8-152.K50-1U, W8-152.K50-1U, W8-152.320-1U, W8-152.135-1, W8-152.120-6U, W8-152.120-6, W8-152.120-1 01, W8-152.100-1U Rumpf-Strak 01, Junkers 9.213.1135.11. W8 series drawings are used by managers and production line material estimators.

http://stores.ebay.com/Flug-archiv-20_Blueprint-Multi-CD_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ13QQftidZ2QQsclZ1QQtZkm

[Skyraider3D]

Fantastic work, Peter!

[Peter Ewbank]

Attached is a low res preview of the Jumo engine blueprint used to establish position of the exhaust outlets in the Ta 152 H cowl.

http://stores.ebay.com/Flug-archiv-20_Blueprint-Single-CD_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ4442060QQftidZ2QQsclZ1QQ tZkm

[Peter Ewbank]

Fw 190 CAD Module courtesy of H.R. Thomson – they give an idea of what can be accomplished with the Fw 190 & Ta 152 blueprint collection. The first pictures show the CAD model module of the Fw 190 A Rudder which is applicable to the Fw 190 D and the Ta 152 C, E and H. The last picture shows the base pack of Fw 190 A, D and Ta 152 C, E and H blueprints.

[Peter Ewbank]

V.2 of the Fw 190 Blueprints set is now available. The radiator, cowl and fittings for the late model Focke Wulfs sporting the Jumo 213 E are completely sorted.

http://stores.ebay.com/FLUG-ARCHIV-20

[rafju]

Hello Peter

Got a question concerning the FW190 prototypes V5"g" and the following early versions A0 & A1, is there information -drawings- related to these ones inside your CD?
Many thanks
Raphael

[Peter Ewbank]

Thanks. we don't have any specific drawings for the prototypes.

[Peter Ewbank]

Correction. I had a look through and the V5G wing plan and fuselage GA is in the our title shown above.

[Mathias_P]

Impressive!
Peter, do I understand correctly, there are no Ta152H wing drawings?