Ju 87 G-2 Stuka

[Lucas]

Hi there.
As you can see, that's myfirst post at Militarymeshes.
So, I'd like to begin with my work in progress Ju-87. I started it several weeks ago, and here are the results. Next to model is the 37mm BK cannon.
All critics are welcome:)

[charglerode]

Wow, that's looks really good. How did you model the canopy and windscreen?

[kevjon]

Thats looking pretty good so far.

[denders]

Very Nice!!!

[Lucas]

Thanks:). The canopy modelling wasn't that hard, I first made a general shape segmented so the lines indicate the frames, then choose the faces desired to be the glass surface, a bit of extrude inside direction and detach to make it a single object. To make the cornres sharp, I simply added some cuts and thats all:)

[krazycolin]

the tail planes seem to be incorrect.... check this.... and your wingtips are a bit too rounded.... the rest seems pretty good... keep going...

[Spinner]

Wingtips a bit too thin? Look a tad knife-edged in your pic.
Also the wingtips were mainly cut off at an angle. Theres a light mounted on the end.
The D-5/G-2 airframes had a pair of canopy runner slots extending rearward from the gunner's hood, thats not on your's yet. There's a rectangular bit sticks out from the main canopy slider section too. I guess the armoured screen will come next?
The model is coming along nicely.
Dont mind my comments too much. As an ex draftsman and historian I get a bit obsessive about detail.;)

[Lucas]

Update:). Sory it took me so long, but these hot days make me sooooo lazy;]. Here's the finished 37mm cannon.

The D-5/G-2 airframes had a pair of canopy runner slots extending rearward from the gunner's hood, thats not on your's yet.

I'm not sure what do you exactly mean, could you exlpain or show on a reference or sth?:)

[kevjon]

Good stuff, looks impressive. Great subject too.

[Spinner]

Sure, I'll scan Rikyu Watanabe's G-2 drawing later this week. My month old scanner screwed the pooch a couple of days back and I'm expecting the replacement after the weekend.

[Lukem]

Looks great!

I know this photo dosen't really show the rails as such, but it might give you an idea of where they go, how far they run etc.

[MagnumHB]

Sure, I'll scan Rikyu Watanabe's G-2 drawing later this week. My month old scanner screwed the pooch a couple of days back and I'm expecting the replacement after the weekend.
A quick googling finds this page which includes a (the?) Stuka drawing:
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/art/

[Spinner]

MagnumHB's link shows the rectangular extension on the pilot's frame I'm talking about and to a degree how the gunner's frame extends far back. The drawing I'll scan shows how far the canopy slot extends on the fuse. It goes all the way to the rear of the gunner's frame.
Watanabe has done a book full of Stuka drawings, every model and detail etc. Great book for a 3D modeller into Stukas.

[Lucas]

Thx guys, I get it now:).

[Lucas]

The end of modelling is near:), I've done the propeller and couple of thing. Many other 'things' are still to do I guess, but most of all - the gunner's cannon and at least some of cockpit. Also, I need to add something on the right side of the engine, at the moment the aircraft is symetrical - and it shouldn't in fact.
As to the runner slots, I think those can be done by texture, as I don't want to use boolean and wouldn't like to get my mesh too dense as well.

[Spinner]

Looking good.
Crew step, pitot etc but you'll get them done with the rightside inlets. The box off the outside of the cannon looks slightly narrow front to rear, to me. Its a couple of cm longer than the 368 mm of the shell, so maybe 15 inches front to rear and 24 inches outside to barrel center-line.
I guess the hand holes by textures too, eh?
Should turn out well.

[giant551]

looking mighty fine !!! I love the cannons:D

[Lucas]

Modelling completed:) Need just a couple of planes to make the cockpit.
Now it's time for mapping - a bit borring, but signifficant process.

As to mapping & texturing, I can't decide which color scheme to choose, I found some:
1:http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/bww2/ju87g/ju87g-c1.jpg (http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/bww2/ju87g/ju87g-c1.jpg)
2:http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/bww2/ju87g/ju87g-c2.jpg (http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/bww2/ju87g/ju87g-c2.jpg)
3:http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/bww2/ju87g/ju87g-c3.jpg (http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/bww2/ju87g/ju87g-c3.jpg)
4:http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/bww2/ju87g/ju87g-c5.jpg (http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/bww2/ju87g/ju87g-c5.jpg)
5:http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/bww2/ju87g/ju87g-c4.jpg (http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/bww2/ju87g/ju87g-c4.jpg)
Which one you think would be the best? I'm thinking about 1 or 4, however this white one could be hard to make it good-looking and easy to make it ugly.

[bzhyoyo]

Very good-looking model ! :)
What is the black circle behind the canopy ?

about the scheme, I like the first. Of course, the winter scheme is more original but also harder to get right as you pointed out.

[Lucas]

The black circle, from what I've read, is the antenna cover.

[MagnumHB]

I like the splinter pattern, so I say #2 or #4.

[Lucas]

Mapping completed - time for textures. As for now, I have the fuselage, only colour, I'll make all those lines, dirt and stuff at the end.

[giant551]

Nice one, now get it dirty !!!:D

[roguesoul]

Just signed up to say thats a stunning model! :D

[kevjon]

Looks good so far, I like it.

[mrys]

Something strange is in colours... To brownish for me. RLM 70/71 should be more greenish. Hmm... Maybe it is fault of my monitor?

[Lucas]

Well, don't know:), I use this:http://hsfeatures.com/features04/ju87g172cw_1.htm as a reference (changing some stuff, like nose tip however). If needed, the colours could be shifted quite easily.

[kevjon]

Usually best to study some good quality photos of museum aircraft that carry the same camouflage colours and try and tweak to match. That was how I got my Me262 colors reasonably close. I did use the hyperscale reference charts as a starting point.

[Lucas]

Well, the problem is, I couldn't find any color photos of Ju87 G version and I guess I need to rely on models' photographs:/

[mrys]

Personally I never used any of ready colour charts. Better is to look into good books, from Monogram Publications or other publishers. And of course you ar not forced to look for Ju 87G - the same colours had Hs 129, early Bf 109 and other planes. Aircrafts in Museums in most cases have good colours but they are exhibited in specific enviroment conditions. We see colours not as they should be seen in "nature". And should remember old plastic modeler rules: model in scale should be brighter then oryginal - so using "official" colour directly from museal planes is not good for smaller images.

Find good reference and trust your eyes. Don't believe in ready RGB "mix" - I found many of them different one from other. You will see, that for get good results sometimes you will have to use a little different colours in next plane.

And don't trust in old colour photographs. After 50 years nothing is as should be.

[Lukem]

Can't wait to see it get 'dirty'! Great stuff mate!

Can you get the colour sample cards for RLM colours like you can with RAL classic colours? I know it's not cheap, but surely that would be the most accurate method?

[Lucas]

Got some dirt already, and more is still to come:). I've altered camoflage colours as well (thanks for Kazan).

[Skyraider3D]

Hmm I think your original camouflage colours, though not entirely accurate, were a much better match for RLM 70/71.

By the way, I have the impression your model is a bit squashed. Is that the mesh or the way you set up the renderer?

[Lucas]

Well, I tried to keep the mesh acurate, so I guess it's the matter of render, maybe also its resolution (1024x600)

[Lukem]

Nice renders mate! The lighter green does look a touch washed-out in my opinion, but then I'm not totally sure how it should look.

[Lucas]

I guess that's the end of texturing:) Now all I have to do is to get the cockpit and something looking like a pilot and I can get round to scene composing.

[Spinner]

The BK 3.7 magazine was painted the same colour as the rest, on the outside of the mag door. Its a bit too dark here.
Well I guess that III\St.G2 was always going to be the markings for 'the flying anti-tank gun'. With some of the luftwaffe marking grognards about, I think I'd be too scared.

[bzhyoyo]

I'm not a big fan of the weathering on your textures : I can't remember a photo of Stuka with such a heavy weathering (I have probably seen less pics of a stuka than you ;) ).
I would make it more subtle. What is odd are the very dark blotches in conjonction with panels where the colours seems to be very plain and not broken. There's a discrepancy at work here.

[Andyf]

some photos...
http://www.icdc.com/~oldradio/web/wwii/gordnance3.jpg
http://www.icdc.com/~oldradio/web/wwii/gordnance9.jpg
http://www.icdc.com/~oldradio/web/wwii/Pilsen1.jpg
http://www.icdc.com/~oldradio/web/wwii/pilsen2a.jpg
http://www.icdc.com/~oldradio/web/wwii/pilsen3a.jpg
http://www.icdc.com/~oldradio/web/wwii/pilsen4a.jpg
http://www.icdc.com/~oldradio/web/wwii/pilsen7a.jpg

[gdskoog]

...on your model. Your control surface hinges place the flaps and ailerons a little high relative to the trailing edge, but that is a very minor point.

I signed up here just to contact you regarding information. Would you (or anyone else on the board) know of any primary source prints or plans for the Stuka-G that can be downloaded or purchased? I'm in the process of designing 7/8 scale version that I plan on building. I'm going to be using current experimental aircraft construction methods, but I'm hoping to incorporate as much of the actual construction design as possible. I don't have much planned for the next ten, twelve years. :lol: Thanks in advance for the time and trouble.

Regards,
Duane

[nitzer]

…but I think it is a little bit too dirty, although I love these "used" models.

Greetings

Nitzer

[kevjon]

@gdskoog.

You might find something here http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw_aw.html for a start.