$95 4 1000's of P-51 blueprints [Archive]

bigz

07-24-2006, 11:39 PM

I too have bought plenty of 190 and ta152 + a few 109 plans. Just cant justify it anymore now am the father of 2.

But you may be intrested in these 50 Wellington drawings aswell or 50,000 Spitfire drawings.

http://www.warbird.at/englishversion/engl_hotsec/engl_hotsect1.htm
http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/london/collections/archive/spitfire_drawings.cfm

Spinner

07-25-2006, 1:41 AM

Those Wellington drawings bring back memorirs.
Man the years I spent learning to do those drawings. Still got my old board in the shed somewhere.
Not too promising based on his examples. If theres too many maintenance spanners in the 50, that doesnt leave a lot to want.
Ronnie,
If you get the P51 cds could you let me know what they're like, later, please?

Skyraider3D

07-25-2006, 10:17 AM

Bigz, I still need to pass by the RAF Museum and do some copying! ;) I'm especially interested to see if they have any drawings of the Supermarine Attacker and Scimitar. For some reason I really like those planes.
The Wellington drawings seem to show some random parts. Not of an awful lot of use for 3D modelling. The stuff that interest me most is fuselage stations and wing construction drawings and such. Basically anything needed to get the main aircraft shape right.
By the way, did your Fw 190/Ta 152/Bf 109 drawings come from New Zealand by any chance?

Spinner, will do if and when I get them. Haven't heard back from the seller yet.

bigz

07-25-2006, 10:53 PM

AHH You mean Ebay's Peter-Ewbank Skyraider. The answers no. Here are my sources.

http://www.warbirdsrestoration.com/
http://www.white1foundation.org/giftshop/index.php

The warbirdsrestoration 190 drawings are too expensive but manged to get mine free by swapping. The White 1 disc contains 190 drawings plus Ta 152C wing drawings and fuse sections for E(Who's gonna be the first to model this based on new photos to coming to light?) or H. Skyraider you maybe intrested to know that one of the Spant drawing for the 152 off the White CD is actually for the 190 V-19 acording to A.Bentley(new straight leading edge wing actually flew but as yet no photos see attached)

I also own an original Factory copy of the 152H profile dated 43. Plus an early Isometric photocopy of the 152H from the Ken Bolkeman collection.

Skyraider3D

07-26-2006, 11:47 AM

PS. There's a Japanese book with factory drawings of the Zero I'm trying to track down...
http://www.hlj.com/product/HRS001

Skyraider3D

07-26-2006, 3:28 PM

Hold on! Flugwerk is selling the same Mustang set for only $125. Do a search on Barnstormers for "drawings". Wicked :) SOLD!

dangreve

08-08-2006, 9:01 AM

Sky - did you ever hear anything back about those drawings? (p-51)
I don't need any drawings for the 51, but would be nice to have...lol

Skyraider3D

08-08-2006, 9:31 AM

Certainly did and will transfer the money today or tomorrow, so I should have them soon... :)

Skyraider3D

08-16-2006, 12:23 AM

Today was a bit Christmas for me as I got my thirty CDs of Mustang factory drawings. And boy are they great! :D

Most MilMesh veterans will know all the windshield angle debates we had in the past... "O there is Skyraider again with his windshield angles". Well, ladies (any?) and gentlemen... the moment of truth... :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://www.skyraider3d.military-meshes.com/images/windshield_angle.jpg

Admittedly some parts are slightly out, especially the dashboard cover, but who cares as long as the windshield angle is accurate!!! :D

http://skyraider3d.military-meshes.com/temp/headbang.gif

So next time I critisise your windshield angle...

http://www.skyraider3d.military-meshes.com/temp/authority.jpg

LOL! :D :lol: :D :lol: :cool: ;)

Skyraider3D

08-16-2006, 12:33 AM

PS. Do I get a prize for exceeding 500 posts? ;)
Prizes... hey that reminds me... What happened to the MilMesh awards? Martok got away easy there with the crash!!! ;)

Skyraider3D

08-16-2006, 1:52 AM

I would like to dedicate my 500th post (this one) to Bigz :)
Many thanks for posting this message. I am a happy man now.
Just found drawings for the P-51H on the CDs... how rare is that! So cool... :cool:

kweetnix

08-16-2006, 12:32 PM

I thought the Flug Werk set was on DVD?

Congrats on the windshield :)

Gerard

Skyraider3D

08-16-2006, 12:38 PM

No, it's on 30 CD-roms. The seller in American has put it on DVDs but he is charging $220 more for it!

I really love these drawings. It's so cool to see the drawings used to build and operate one of the finest warbirds ever. And the P-51H drawings really top if off nicely, as that's such a rare plane. Still looking for P-51A drawings, but according to the (very complicated) index they're there too. P-51A, B/C, D and H - and possibly more.

jkbon

08-16-2006, 12:48 PM

Nice ! I believe you are like a child at christmas, and understand it.
Are all the picture at the same scale ? easy to use as blueprint ?
Does it include the engine ?
Are the same kind of files available for other warbirds ? Corsair, Spitfire ... ?

Skyraider3D

08-16-2006, 1:17 PM

The drawings aren't all to the same scale, which is a good thing! You wouldn't want the drawing for a bracket to be the same as the drawing for the wing main spar as they're totally different sized objects :)
But generally drawings of the same type of object (say wing ribs) are to the same scale. Care needs to be taken though, as there is minor warpage. Afterall the drawings on paper were photographed on microfilm then scanned so there are a few steps from orginal to CD - and 60 years of aging.

The engine is included in various drawings to define its location and all. I haven't come across a fully detailed drawing of it though and don't expect I will.

Flug Werk only sells Mustang drawings, but factory drawings for other aircraft can be obtained here and there - but usually not at these kind of prices! The full Spitfire set sold by warbirdrestorations.com comes in at a shocking £1500!!! So I feel very fortunate to have found this Mustang set for a mere $125. The RAF Museum in london has Supermarine drawings (ask Clanger) and with a bit more effort you could probably get the useful ones for a lot less money.

On Ebay I've seen drawings for Fw 190, Bf 109 (both quite incomplete), N3N, Stearman, Piper Cub and P-40 - but all from dodgy sources.
Warbirdrestorations sells them for various Spitfire marks, Hurricane, Lancaster and B-24.
The White1 foundation sells Fw 190 drawings (incomplete but come with Aurthur Bentley's fantastic drawings which is ample info for the serious modeller). I'll be making a Fw 190 A-8 in due time and will be using Bentley's drawings.

Attached an example drawing from the CDs, composed of two scans glued together in Photoshop. Drawings are in very high resolution black&white TIFs. Unlike the P-40 and Fw 190 drawings mentioned earlier, all dimensional data appears to be easily legible.

Spinner

08-16-2006, 1:51 PM

Sold!
Flugwerk are offering them @ $95 now.
Time to enter the market, it seems.
Even if you never model the aircraft, reading the plans and seeing how they were n changed is great interest in itself.
Thanks for the report Ronnie. I'm sold.

Skyraider3D

08-16-2006, 2:21 PM

Just to be sure, my invoice said $95 + $30 postage - i.e. $125.
Mention my name, maybe I get discount next time if I bring in enough customers :lol:

Martocticvs

08-16-2006, 2:54 PM

I get this impression looking through this that you are just a touch excited there Ronnie! hehe

And did someone say something about prizes? Sorry, I'm a bit deaf in that eye...

Skyraider3D

08-16-2006, 4:10 PM

Hehehe read my lips: >>mimics shouting b******<< :p

Little update from Claus Colling... they're now selling 2 DVDs instead of 30 CDs and indeed the price is now $95 including shipping. Lucky gits. Looks like I got the last damn CD set at the higher price... :(

Spinner

08-16-2006, 5:16 PM

Yeah, I'd worked that out.
Just thought it'd be better not to rub it in, though. hehe
Thanks M8

bigz

08-16-2006, 8:21 PM

Glad their what you wanted and thanks for the dedication. Hopefully they will release what they have on the Fw 190. Talking to Arthur Bentley(who helped with the drawings on the 190 replica) I get the impression that they have tons of the stuff.

Anyone interested in P-40 drawings???????

Skyraider3D

08-18-2006, 11:15 AM

bigz did you get my PM?

dangreve

08-18-2006, 11:25 AM

I'm interested in the p40 drawings. Do you have more info on them? Also - Has anyone seen the "modeler starter packs" that "Warbird restoration" sells? I'm thinking of picking up the Hurricane set.

jmoores

08-19-2006, 1:05 AM

Thats pretty cool Ronnie...DVDs of the factory drawings. I asked Claus about Fw190 drawings years ago and it was no dice. I had no idea they were now seeling 51 drawings.

I might have to buy them ;)

Skyraider3D

08-19-2006, 1:09 AM

I tried, but he's not selling any Fw 190 drawings, unfortunately.
Claus said he had the whole set of P-51 drawings digitized and is now selling them to make back the huge scanning costs. An American seller is trying to sell copies of his scans, forcing Claus to lower his price.

Bigtodd

08-19-2006, 4:09 AM

BigZ,

which version of the P40 do you have? I have been looking for an A version.

dangreve

08-19-2006, 7:55 AM

An American seller is trying to sell copies of his scans, forcing Claus to lower his price.

I guess stuff like that is hard to copyright, unless you've done the actual drawing yourself. If I went to NASM and printed/scanned original factory plans from microfiche, I could sell the scans to some dedicated folks, But then again, someone else could take those scans and turn around and sell those.

I guess the main focus is to recoup the scanning cost/labor. But as an artist and an aviation buff, it is nice to have the factory drawings in an easy to access digital format. And $100 a pop is not a huge sum to ask for 16,000 drawings.

Aye - life in the foodchain :)

Peter Ewbank

10-05-2006, 3:00 AM

I am Peter Ewbank and my name is mentioned above. I sell blueprints on eBay and other distribution channels. Several members of this forum have met with me in New Zealand and viewed some of the original blueprints in my collection, so can testify to this. I collect (buy) original blueprints and last year I spent well over $30,000 on this. I scan the best blueprints in full colour in order to capture as much detail as possible. Bit-map scanning is cheaper and faster but a lot of detail can get burned off. I also have some friends who have access to original blueprints and the best that they have are also scanned in full colour at my request (and cost). Secondly, my source for the Fw 190 A blueprints is the same as the White 1 foundation drawings but the provider (the person who digitised these in the first place) sent me the full set of all available. So I believe my set is more complete. I do collect microfiche and also scans of Microfiche and spend a lot of time in front of the computer improving line-work and pulling detail out of microfiche and scans of microfiche. The costs are huge and the rewards are scant. I do appreciate past asistance of members of this forum and their generosity will continue to be reciprocated.

chrisken

10-06-2006, 9:00 AM

Nice comments Peter I have several Items purchased from you and I am sure SkyRaider is big enough to realise his mistake regards the White 1 drawings and retract his remarks.
Regards
Chris Kennedy
chrisken

Skyraider3D

10-06-2006, 3:24 PM

Thanks for your comments, Peter. After your explanations both here and off-board it looks to me like a case of the scanner having sold off distribution rights to multiple parties, leading to confusion and unjustified rumours.

Keep up the good work and I hope to see new items in your ebay store soon.

PS. Peter's store can be found here: http://stores.ebay.com/Flug-archiv-20

Peter Ewbank

10-22-2006, 12:49 PM

Have been trying to post some sample blueprints (proper full colour scans of the real McCoy - not scans of Microfiche) for members to download. Am having broadband problems. Will try again in a few days.

Skyraider3D

10-22-2006, 2:22 PM

Feel free to e-mail (http://contact.skyraider3d.com/) them to me Peter, and I'll host them for you on the MilMesh server.

Skyraider3D

10-23-2006, 8:17 AM

I have attached the image to your post, Peter. Thanks for sharing.

Please note, this image is 1/5th the size of the one that ships on the CD.

Spinner

10-23-2006, 1:28 PM

ThanKs Peter.
Beautifull look at the DB600.

Peter Ewbank

10-23-2006, 2:33 PM

The DB 600 scan is form a blueprint I collected 2 years ago. There are some in this forum who have visited me here in Auckland and seen this blueprint in the flesh and so can verify that this is the real thing. I have noticed it pirated in the past, but anyway, it is here now for people to enjoy. I trust that anyone requiring higher resolution for a poster or similar will contact me. For private use only (please).

Spinner

10-23-2006, 3:14 PM

For private use only (please).

It's such a pity that you even need to ask.
Human nature, eh?
Thanks again for your generosity in shairing that blueprint with us.

bigz

10-23-2006, 9:09 PM

Good to see you here Peter. I visted Peter in Auckland 2 years ago. He was kind enough to meet me even though he was full of flu. I was privelledged to see for first hand some of the original material from his collection.

It has always been a pleasure dealing with Peter. He also has my sympathy I would rather bang my head against a wall, rather than try to negotiate with some private collectors/US public organisations again.

I will try and get the details for the P-40 drawings soon. Sorry to get back to you so late but have been building a 3 axis CNC machine out of MDF lately. Hope to make my 3D models a reality.

Peter Ewbank

10-24-2006, 1:59 AM

Thanks Liam, am impressed with your machine. Wish I could find time to do same. Have uploaded P-51 Blueprint for members. If more wanted, please visit http://stores.ebay.com/Flug-archiv-20

Spinner

11-18-2006, 11:17 AM

I hope all is well with Peter?
Noticed his store has shut.

Peter Ewbank

11-18-2006, 11:37 AM

Am fighting eBay over the way it deals with pirates on eBay and fighting the pirates simultaneously.

Peter Ewbank

01-01-2007, 12:37 PM

In the last week or so the pirates have started offering new CAD drawings of the P-51 as well as the digitised data from Flug Werk GmbH. It is possible they are the CAD drawings done by (Joe?) Mock of "Mock II Engineering" in Rio Rancho New Mexico, USA. Does anyone here have the e-mail address for Mock II Engineering? Please answer by private e-mail. There are a few of us who do not like what the Canadians are doing, would like to see them answer for their misdeeds. Lets all make sure that the people who do the work get paid. Use this link to get the authorised stuff http://stores.ebay.com/Flug-archiv-20

Peter Ewbank

03-29-2008, 12:01 PM

I found the draftsman for the CAD work that the Canadians had pirated and am in contact with him. All are welcome to get in touch with me for an update comprised of the CAD drawings as authorised by the creator.

Skyraider3D

03-29-2008, 12:49 PM

Great news Peter!!

MrKo

04-01-2008, 2:40 PM

I am drooling. You have to make a cutaway Ronnie! Otherwise you a damned to eternal darkness with the windscreen angle;)

Skyraider3D

04-01-2008, 8:36 PM

Hehe :) I doubt I'll find the time this lifetime... maybe the next?

rdefrei2

02-09-2011, 9:35 PM

Hi, I'm looking to build a 1:4 scale solid P-51D model. I want to be very accurate so I'm looking for some help. I was planing to buy the "L2 P-51 Mustang Blueprints Plans Airframe Fabrication" from Ebay I guess they're from Peter.
Will I find all the cross sections for the fuselage, wings, rudder, etc... on those Plans...??
What about the Plans from FLUG WERK are these better..??

I've bought a previous CD were I paid $99.00 and came from Europe, it has a bunch of blueprints but none of those with cross sections.

I appreciate any advice.

Thanks,

Roger

Skyraider3D

02-09-2011, 9:47 PM

Peter's set is an updated release of the FlugWerk set. It adds P-51D CAD data which has all the cross sections.

rdefrei2

02-10-2011, 3:40 AM

Hi

The only problem is that I will need to re-learn how to use a 3D software again before I can do anything. I use to play with Auto-Cad, 3D-studio and 3D-Max but this was about 12years ago......hehehe

Is there a way to get the 3D model already done from someone here ??? That would save me tons of time...

Another thing if I decide to buy the Plans from Peter which I think is a good idea to have just for reference, which one should I get it..??

L2 P-51 Mustang Blueprints Plans Airframe Fabrication

or

http://cgi.ebay.com/Blueprints-P-51-Mustang-Plans-Aircraft-Manuals-NAA-USAF-/290521786932?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a472aa34

Thanks.

Skyraider3D

02-10-2011, 9:23 PM

Is there a way to get the 3D model already done from someone here ??? That would save me tons of time...I'm not sure what you mean... you're looking for cross-sections right? The CAD model on Peter's disc has them.

rdefrei2

02-11-2011, 2:46 AM

Hi,

Just bought the disc from Peter...

Depending on price I'm willing to pay someone to get a copy of your 3D model already done if it's accurate. That would save me some time.

If someone is interested please send me a pm.

Thanks.

rdefrei2

03-03-2011, 3:20 AM

Just received the DVD from Peter.. There is a lot of info there...
I just could not find the fuselage cross-sections yet.. Does anyone know where on the CD's can I find it..? I've received 03 DVDs' from Peter.

Shawner

03-04-2011, 7:53 PM

Just wanted to say hey, just signed up. And thanks for the info on the DVD. Just ordered it myself and looking forward to modeling this awsome aircraft.

Shawner

03-24-2011, 6:22 PM

Got the same disc myself, wow a lot of information here. Would someone mind pointing to a section on the disk that has the plane front/side and top? I did find one drawing on the last disk.

Cheers,
Shawn

Skyraider3D

03-24-2011, 11:30 PM

Sorry for the late reply, been on holiday.

I am not sure if my set is the same, but I have four discs. Three contain the various reels A-Z and the last is CAD data. There are various DWG files on there that can be opened in AutoCAD, Max, etc...

Fw190D-9

03-27-2011, 6:17 AM

I haven't got all of the way through the P-51 set yet but like I said in the other related thread, there is a new opt-in and it seems to pour out good quality free stuff…

http://www.manualsontheweb.com/

The F4U Corsair blueprint is the best i have ever seen I kid you not.

These are the same people as:

http://stores.ebay.com/FLUG-ARCHIV-20