VOC Batavia

[ruud]

Since the old post obviously have been deleted, so is my thread about the Batavia.

The project is almost finished so, I'm going to post you another image.

Thanks in advance for your compliments and critics,

Ruud Zeelenberg

[Martocticvs]

It wasn't deleted - everything was lost in a hard drive crash.

Its looking excellent - good to see that back on here!

[pete.cook]

Yes, really good to see this one back. What needs to be done ruud?

[Larsen]

Excelent image... I'm new here, so sorry if this has allready been said, but what program are you using, 3D or 2D?

[Meshfan]

Wow. That is a beautiful man-of-war. The detail on the ship is particularly impressive. Great water and wave effects! The background is very nice; the sunny part is right ontop of the ship and the cloudy parts cover the two other ships in the rear.

[Archetype]

man that looks good !
i think you need to tweak you shadow a bit on the front 2 sails

it has a hard edge compared to the others

[Skyraider3D]

Wow, stunning! Never really seen anything like it in 3D. Awesome.


what program are you using, 3D or 2D?"Application: Lightwave" ;)

[FitArtistSF]

This has turned out very nice. Reminds me of some of the Dutch genre paintings of this type. Well done.

[Martocticvs]

Yeah if I remember from the original thread, that was the look he was going for, so it would appear he is successful!

[Skyraider3D]

Very succesful I'd say :)

[ruud]

thnx! I was indeed going for the old-painting-look. Although it will never be an real painting (3D has an exact and sharp look) I'm getting satisfied bit by bit.

I'll have to put a little bit more time in it before I can really call it "finished" but this gives you quite a feeling of where I'm going to..

Thanks again, the shadows will have to be repainted I guess..

Ruud

[Larsen]

Wow, stunning! Never really seen anything like it in 3D. Awesome.


"Application: Lightwave" ;)

:err: Ups... sorry!

[FitArtistSF]

I don't know, Ruud. There's a 3D artist who occassionally posts over on Renderosity.com, named The Hobbit. His "paintings" of the HMS Victory look so much like the 2D maritime masters of old, it's scary... Also, the artist at www.age-of-sail.com, is doing really good work, emulating the look of 2D nautical paintings...it just depends, I guess on just how good you are in 2D and whether that talent crosses over to 3D....:D

[ruud]

yeah I saw that website, but don't be insulted if I say that it doesn't impress me :S

It looks too much like gamevessels rather than hires, superdetailed modelling.

But his painting trick is nice to see, the brush stroke filter from Photoshop.

Thnx!

[FitArtistSF]

Oh, I agree, Ruud, the models the artist on age-of-sail is creating are decidely NOT hi-rez. I 've seen them elsewhere and they do lack a very great amount of detail. But I think his intent is the overall look of the pieces he's produced. You'll notice, he isn't doing any real closeup shots, more at a distance. I know if I were at that level of expertise, I would want more detailed models, to show maybe some deck action...but still he's one of only a few that I have seen that are producing that genre with such good results.

[Spinner]

The Age of Sail guy, certainly gets his sails right.
Not easy, I'd imagine.

[cbhierro]

Hi to all,

:eek: :eek: If no commentary, single to say, I magnify modeled work of and an agreed illustration with that I magnify work.:)

A greeting and good hunting.

[marcovth]

Hello Ruud ...

I am totally impressed !

Over the coming months, I will try to rebuild New Amsterdam (New York) as it was depicted on the "Castello" map of 1660.

Is there any chance the Batavia could visit for a render when the city is finished ? It will take another six months for sure.

http://3d.ny1660.com

Greetings.

- Marco.

[ruud]

hehe, it seems like a fun project to be involved in. Unfortunately I wouldn't know where to aquire the time to spend to the project. But as soon as you have nice start, I'll dock my VOC vessel in the harbour ;-)

At least keep me updated!

Ruud

[franken_johan]

Holy Mozes! By far the best render I have ever seen (of a ship :lol:)

[marcovth]

hehe, it seems like a fun project to be involved in. Unfortunately I wouldn't know where to aquire the time to spend to the project. But as soon as you have nice start, I'll dock my VOC vessel in the harbour ;-)

At least keep me updated!

Ruud


Thanks a lot Ruud. I will keep you updated.

You might also take a look at your sister ship, "De 7 Provincien" which they are building in this forum ...

http://www.flyinglab.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9792

http://users.skynet.be/ronin/potbs/review1.jpg

BTW, I am using your render as the wallpaper on my desktop, if you don't mind. :)

- Marco.

[ruud]

Let me post you a full resolution image...

http://www.wizzart.nl/batavia.jpg

[marcovth]

How many times can I say "WOW !!!" Ruud?

Incredible details !

I asked Ronin (from Antwerp), the creator of the 7 Provincien, if he would be interested in a render with the Batavia & 7 Provincien together. If you are interested (and have time), he would be happy if you can contact him to discuss this.

ronin_mf [at] hotmail [dot] com

It might not be historically accurate, but it would be beautiful !

Thanks again for the render.

- Marco.

[Levias]

Wow man, can you please link such big sized pictures? It's destroying this Thread :eek:

But anyway very nice work ;)

[ronin]

Hi all,

First off, the batavia is 1 nice piece of pro artwork!

Im the builder of this 1665 vessel named the "Friesland", as you can see on the review screenshot this ship is modelled to be able to run realtime in upcoming MMORPG "Pirates of the burning sea". It is only 80000 polies, and coloring is done by multiplication of the texture with a color.

I have a couple of old, fast, dirty, renders before I converted the textures of the model to the FLS game-engine. Since then alot of geometry, like stays and backstays, rigging cleanup, new wales, .... have been added.

http://www.teamclick.org/ronin/friesland_poster.jpg
http://www.teamclick.org/ronin/final_desktop_1280.jpg

Greetz

Ronin

[Martocticvs]

With the paint and canvas filters applied that looks stunning! Great job indeed!

[ruud]

Thanks a lot Martoc! I guess the image is almost finished then ;)

Thnx

[franken_johan]

...I guess the image is almost finished then ;)

Wonder who will disagree with that statement :lol:

[Skyraider3D]

With the paint and canvas filters applied that looks stunning! Great job indeed!The image looks stunning indeed, but the canvas filter does nothing but ruining it with a nasty tiling pattern. Just copy the image to your desktop and look at it so it fills the screen and pay attention to the right side. The tiling is awfully noticable and doesn't do the image any favours.

The image itself is totally awesome and doesn't need these cheap Photoshop gimmicks, in my opinion.


Slight advice: once finished, post a crop rather than the whole image and start selling prints! I'm no boat lover but I wouldn't mind hanging this on my wall (without the nasty Photoshop canvas pattern tho!) :D

If you want a painterly look, why not have it printed on actual canvas? Have a look for giclee printers in your neighbourhood. I have no doubt the quality will blow you away.

[cbhierro]

Hi to all,

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: Without comments, an incredible work. ;)

A greeting and good hunts.

[ruud]

Thanks, Let me help you and place a smaller version of the image.

The photoshop filter indeed doesn't satisfie me, but the effect it gives is the idea of where I'm going to. The tiles are nasty and I'm figuring out on how to make this better. What I like about the effect is, it 'breaks' the image up, I get rid of those mathematical lines of my 3D render.

But I will improve it further. Thanks for the comments! As said before, here's the smaller version, it makes it easier to view the whole...

Greetz

Ruud Zeelenberg

http://www.wizzart.nl/batavia2.jpg

[Martocticvs]

Ronnie - oops you're right. I couldn't see much because I had a lot of glare from the sun when I look at it. It is very obvious now though.

[Skyraider3D]

What I like about the effect is, it 'breaks' the image up, I get rid of those mathematical lines of my 3D render.What I use for this is the diffuse filter. I often apply it several times, everytime fading it back to about 10-25%.
Alternatively you could try Chrystalize on the smallest setting, but your render has to be REALLY big for this to work :)
For diffuse, do: Filter>Stylize>Diffuse...
Lastly I apply a little bit of blur, which helps a lot too.

[krazycolin]

that's truly one of the best 3d images i have ever seen.... all i can say is WOW... caps and italics and underlines included.... WOW

[Karras]

Great image, but..... looks 2D and no 3D :lol:
Maybe too use of PhotoShop has converted your work in a planar image :eek: but fantastic planar image, of course ;)

[Spinner]

Stunningly alive visualy!
Agree with Skyraider tile comment.

[ruud]

Karras:
I'm glad it doesn't look '3D' anymore :lol:

Skyraider:
Thanks, I'm going to try this one, I hope my image isn't too small to add the effects ;)


Thanks,

Ruud

[digiartist]

A beautiful image indeed and a worthy header! Regarding the canvas effect, thats something I want to have on my 2d work but photoshop's canvas texture is very repetitve. So I was thinking of buying a plain canvas and using my digital camera to take photos of it. Then stitching the photos together in photoshop and using the finished image as an overlay layer in my image psd. Dunno if it would work but might be worth trying.

[ruud]

And a wireframe, 2.4 million poly's in the scene:

http://www.wizzart.nl/batavia_wire1.jpg

[Lukem]

Superb image - I love the subject matter and the mood you've captured.

Thanks a lot for posting the wire as well - I hope you don't mind me asking, but is the water a heavily subdivided plane that's been manually adjusted, or is there something more involved? I apologise if you've answered this before.

[Skyraider3D]

Dunno if it would work but might be worth trying.That would definitely work :)
I do a similar thing with the grain on my renders. Simply took a photo of a grey sky (plenty of those here!), applied the high pass filter to smoothen out any large inconsistencies and brightness, and then use it as an overlay or softlight layer on the top of your render. Easypeasy.

That said, I think digital artwork deserves a place of its own and I am consciously streering away from photo grain and canvas patterns :)

[kiwi123]

A beautiful image indeed and a worthy header! Regarding the canvas effect, thats something I want to have on my 2d work but photoshop's canvas texture is very repetitve. So I was thinking of buying a plain canvas and using my digital camera to take photos of it. Then stitching the photos together in photoshop and using the finished image as an overlay layer in my image psd. Dunno if it would work but might be worth trying.

Or instead of making this HUGE overlay layer, you can make a tileable image yourself that is not as bad as photoshops canvas. A perfect tool for that would be ImageSynth that comes as a photoshop filter with Modo201.
Ruud, if you want me to create one for you, give me a good source photograph and I'll see what I can do for you mate...

[ruud]

The water is subdivided and deformed with procedurals (if that is what you wanted to know).

for the tiling part, I think I'll try it in Photoshop again, I can make use of the effect in different layers, and mix them so it becomes more various ;)

Thanks kiwi for the offer, maybe I'll take it, but let me first try something myself... I think I can get it right. thanks again :D

I hope to updat you an image later today, so stay tuned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

[Lukem]

Thanks for that Ruud.

[jclark]

man this is superb! definitely needs a bit of breakup like Skyraider said but man this is definitely stylish.

[ruud]

here's one of the soldiers onboard the ship

http://www.wizzart.nl/soldaat.jpg

up close...

[Spinner]

Would they have had the amount of fresh water available onship for the soldiers to shave regularly?
He looks great!
Just, maybe a bit too good?

[FitArtistSF]

He looks more like a ceremonial palace guard than a soldier-at-sea. I would think that his uniform and body armour would be plain, unadorned, and cheaply massed produced. Now, if he were an officer, that might be different, their clothing was a bit more elaborate. But the basic soldier/sailor would be wearing functional clothing and armor. Just a thought. But a figure that is well done, to be sure...

[ruud]

I agree, but you don't see that from this distance ;)

[jf3000]

Very nice.