Lockheed Martin/General Dynamics F-16

[Supah]

http://supah.chaotic.nl/profiles/f-16c/f-16c16102006.jpg

I am currently working on this for the 181st FW of the Indiana ANG who will be using it as their squadron print to give away to relations etc. :) What do you guys think? I will pbb make all possible version of this, A Block 10 straight upto Sufa's :)

[Skyraider3D]

Looking good!

Waht happened to the Yak-50/52 though? ;)

[Graf]

Looking damn good Supah! Looking forward to the end result. :)

[Supah]

Thanks guys! The Yak is on hold a bit as the people who requested this profile will be paying me and the Yak was just a bit of fun between projects, It will get finished I just dont have a time scale for it :)

[primer]

Looks good. If you need help, i'm a F-16 crewchief. So ask away.

[Supah]

Finished the panel lines and added some shading!

http://supah.chaotic.nl/profiles/f-16c/f-16c171006-3.jpg

Primer: I'll gladly take you up on that :D Especially as I plan to convert this into a lot of different versions like I did with my phantom's :) I plan to do a full set of A's too from the block ten's up to the latest MLU's. You wouldn't happen to have any high resolution images or line drawings of Triple Ejector Racks and of the ejection seat from the left side ? :)

[Supah]

btw what do you guys think of this AOA indexer?

http://supah.chaotic.nl/profiles/f-16c/AOAindexer.jpg

[Supah]

http://supah.chaotic.nl/profiles/f-16c/f-16c181006-4-1250.jpg

More fiddling and tweaking.

[Skyraider3D]

btw what do you guys think of this AOA indexer?Shouldn't it have a little "wing" to go with it?

[Supah]

Shouldn't it have a little "wing" to go with it?

Nope :) on the F-16 its a straight probe :)

[primer]

Nope :) on the F-16 its a straight probe :)
You forgot the sloths were the air come in.

[primer]

Primer: I'll gladly take you up on that :D Especially as I plan to convert this into a lot of different versions like I did with my phantom's :) I plan to do a full set of A's too from the block ten's up to the latest MLU's. You wouldn't happen to have any high resolution images or line drawings of Triple Ejector Racks and of the ejection seat from the left side
You can ask me about the (RNLAF) Block 5,10,15 and MLU, those are the ones i work with.
don't have anything on the ejector racks.
and only a couple semi good pic's of the seat from the left.
These are from a Block 5 (OCU)
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/4411/seattq2.th.jpg (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=seattq2.jpg)
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5620/seat1sg9.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=seat1sg9.jpg)
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/7940/photo0330db1.th.jpg (http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=photo0330db1.jpg)
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3540/photo0358fx5.th.jpg (http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=photo0358fx5.jpg)
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7264/photo0364ya8.th.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=photo0364ya8.jpg)

[Supah]

Wow that's an old machine. Is it an instructional airframe? It doesnt even appear to have the Pacer Amstel strengthning plates on the airframe. The seat appears to be missing some parts though! BTW do you have a picture of these airslots in the AOA probe? I have been unable to find them on any of the pictures I have :)

[primer]

Wow that's an old machine. Is it an instructional airframe? It doesnt even appear to have the Pacer Amstel strengthning plates on the airframe.
Yup, it's a instructional airframe, one of the oldest in the RNLAF, the serial is 78-0234. Hasn't flown since 97, there is a crack in a bulkhead.


The seat appears to be missing some parts though!
The chute is missing and some other stuff.

BTW do you have a picture of these airslots in the AOA probe? I have been unable to find them on any of the pictures I have :)
Don't think i have a photo, i will search for one.

[primer]

Did some searching.

Seat (Block40)
http://www.f-16.net/gallery_item45687.html
http://www.f-16.net/gallery_item45690.html
seat MLU
http://www.f-16.net/gallery_item46338.html
AOA probe:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1124580&WxsIERv=Trareny%20Qlanzvpf%20S-16NQS%20Svtugvat%20Snypba&Wm=0&WdsYXMg=Vgnyl%20-%20Nve%20Sbepr&QtODMg=Preivn%20%28-%20Heonab%20Znapvav%29%20%28YVCP%29&ERDLTkt=Vgnyl&ktODMp=Bpgbore%205%2C%202006&BP=1&WNEb25u=Oenppvav%20Evppneqb%20-%20FcbgVG&xsIERvdWdsY=ZZ7251&MgTUQtODMgKE=Cvybg%20vf%20ernql%20gb%20ortva%20gnk v%20bcrengvba&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=1740&NEb25uZWxs=2006-10-15%2013%3A36%3A10&ODJ9dvCE=5&O89Dcjdg=&static=yes&width=768&height=1133&sok=JURER%20%20%28ZNGPU%20%28nvepensg%2Cnveyvar%2C cynpr%2Ccubgb_qngr%2Cpbhagel%2Cerznex%2Ccubgbtencu re%2Crznvy%2Clrne%2Cert%2Cnvepensg_trarevp%2Cpa%2C pbqr%29%20NTNVAFG%20%28%27%2B%22S-16%22%27%20VA%20OBBYRNA%20ZBQR%29%29%20%20beqre%20 ol%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=37&prev_id=1124659&next_id=1124514&size=L

A rough drawing by me of the AOA probe.
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6694/aoatn2.th.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aoatn2.jpg)

[Supah]

Thanks for the links Primer! Making steady progress on the profile!

http://supah.chaotic.nl/profiles/f-16c/f-16c251006-2mm.jpg

Added:

1. The cannon muzzle
2. The Vents behind the gun and the associated bump
3. The Enviromental Controll System Hot Air exhaust, on the indiana ANG F-16C's its of the old variety with the large fairing.
4. The red light on the intake.

Had a little fun making it fit into the forum colourscheme :P

[Graf]

Lookin' damn good Supah. Love the highlight and shading work. ;)

[primer]

Looks good, are you gonna make both versions, GE and P&W powerd?

[Supah]

Dunno :) I believe the block 30B has a common intake for both engines. Don't know about other block numbers.

[primer]

Dunno :) I believe the block 30B has a common intake for both engines. Don't know about other block numbers.
Block 30, 40, 50 have different intakes than Block 32, 42 and 52.
GE powerd F-16's aren't called big mouths and P&W powerd F-16's aren't called small mouth for nothing.

Small mouth
http://www.cybermodeler.net/aircraft/f-16/images/intro_f-16ccip.jpg
http://www.cybermodeler.net/aircraft/f-16/images/intro_f-16cb50.jpg
Big mouth
http://www.cybermodeler.net/aircraft/f-16/images/intro_f-16cb30.jpg
http://www.cybermodeler.net/aircraft/f-16/images/intro_f-16cb40.jpg


[EDIT] Sorry, your right they only started to make Big Mouths from the Block30D onwards.

[Supah]

I also wonder how visible the difference will be side on between big mouth and small mouth machines, going to see if I cant find the Verlinden book about the F-16 :)

[Supah]

http://supah.chaotic.nl/profiles/f-16c/seatfinal2.jpg

Ejection seat done :) Still need to do the guide rail for it though but that shouldnt be too much trouble.

[primer]

Looks good.:)

[Danoku]

Looking great,

[Baron]

Crazy detail work! :eek: Looks fantastic. Really sorry that all these details will be lost when you print it. May I ask for the original size?

[Supah]

150.000 pixels nose to tail :) Even when you scale it down dramatically it looks better then if you just left stuff out. Gives things an over simplified feel if you do that :) Besides doing the wrinkles in the elastic strap was a learning experience in itself ;)

[Baron]

150.000:confused: :confused: :confused:

My profiles have about 6500 pixel with 600dpi. printable up to 90cm

psd file is about 150 to 250 MB (depends on the number of layers). How large is a image with 150.000 pixel?

Cheers

[Supah]

150.000:confused: :confused: :confused:

My profiles have about 6500 pixel with 600dpi. printable up to 90cm

psd file is about 150 to 250 MB (depends on the number of layers). How large is a image with 150.000 pixel?

Cheers

It is now 282 mb :) Not yet finished though. All the ordnance will be in seperate PSD's as they will be used on other aircraft too.

and a look at the entire machine, also added various lumps and bumps to the tailbase.

http://supah.chaotic.nl/profiles/f-16c/f-16c301006-2.jpg

[Galgot]

Hi Supah !
It's very nice. High level of detail ! If you ever go into 3d, your textures would sure be superb.
One question, are you going to light the nose tip a bit ? Pitot tube and nose tip are very dark. Maybe that part its not finished yet ? If so forget my question :-)

[Supah]

Hi Galgot :) Indeed the pitot tube and radome still need work. There are lightning conductors on the nose that I still need to draw and ofcourse the pitot tube. Bit too busy at work sadly atm to really work on this :( Perhaps over the weekend!

[Danoku]

Mano it is schweet! Have one questions tho, the canopy color seemed closer to what I recall in the first post, then clear now, are you going to stick with the current color or...

[Supah]

Hi Danoku,

If you look at various F-16's you will see that there is a whole variety of canopy colours. The main colours seem to be darkened, golden and green. The golden coloured is to enhance the stealth characteristics of the machine.

[primer]

Hi Danoku,

If you look at various F-16's you will see that there is a whole variety of canopy colours. The main colours seem to be darkened, golden and green. The golden coloured is to enhance the stealth characteristics of the machine.
Only they are now being phased out because the get scratched to easy and replacing them is expensive.

[Supah]

A update from me at long last! I have been quite busy at work and with my flying lessons recently.

http://supah.chaotic.nl/profiles/f-16c/f-16c231106.jpg

Worked on the tailsurfaces, the ventral fins and the radome :)

BTW primer, you wouldnt happen to be able to get me some good high res digital images of the pylons on this side including the centerline and of the various tanks and sidewinders, AMRAAM's, Jammer pods and other pods? Also I might need additional pictures of the pitot tube :)

[primer]

BTW primer, you wouldnt happen to be able to get me some good high res digital images of the pylons on this side including the centerline and of the various tanks and sidewinders, AMRAAM's, Jammer pods and other pods? Also I might need additional pictures of the pitot tube :)
I'm sorry but those kinds of detailed weapons/pod pictures fall under OPSEC. I don't want to go to jail by posting them here. You should look at www.globalsecurity.org and www.f-16.net for good pictures of pods and weapon systems.

I do have some of the Pitot static tube.

[Supah]

I'm sorry but those kinds of detailed weapons/pod pictures fall under OPSEC. I don't want to go to jail by posting them here. You should look at www.globalsecurity.org and www.f-16.net for good pictures of pods and weapon systems.

I do have some of the Pitot static tube.


Cool, I already found some good ones of various jammers online. I still have some of LGB's and Mk.82's and 84's from the open day at Leeuwarden this year. I just need to find more info on the missiles. Most people I talk to only have good pictures of training rounds.

[primer]

Most people I talk to only have good pictures of training rounds.

Yeah, we don't see life rounds that often. Only on deployment, but then we can't take pic's.

[Supah]

A Small update on one of the armament items I am doing for this profile.

http://supah.chaotic.nl/profiles/f-16c/AN-AAQ-14.jpg

A AN/AAQ-14, the Targeting pod from the LANTIRN System. I have managed to get really high res pictures of the ALQ-119/184 system so far and may be getting good photography of AIM-9's soon :) One thing I would however like is the exact length of the Orpheus targeting pod, I haven't been able to find it anywhere on the web :(

http://supah.chaotic.nl/profiles/f-16c/orpheus1024.jpg

Edit: What do you guys think of the placement of the Pod on the plane?

http://supah.chaotic.nl/profiles/f-16c/f-16c03122006-1024.jpg

[primer]

A Small update on one of the armament items I am doing for this profile.

http://supah.chaotic.nl/profiles/f-16c/AN-AAQ-14.jpg

Isn't that tag on your LANTRIN pod a "Danger, do not operate tag"?

[primer]

Here is a pic of the Chin mounted pylon (sorry, no LANTRIN pod installed.)

[Bukoba]

Huh, impressive bro! I like your work, excellent Photoshop skills.

[Supah]

Huh, impressive bro! I like your work, excellent Photoshop skills.


Thanks :) Hey Primer, do you use MSN? If you do could you add me as supah@chaotic.nl ? Might be easier to talk that way :)

[Skyraider3D]

That's looking very impressive, Supah!

[primer]

Thanks :) Hey Primer, do you use MSN? If you do could you add me as supah@chaotic.nl ? Might be easier to talk that way :)
Done, im online now.

[Supah]

http://supah.chaotic.nl/profiles/f-16c/f-16c040407-IDF_test4.jpg

Working on a new paintscheme :)

[Skyraider3D]

I love the Israeli camo colours. Very nice!

I just noticed now... the curvature of the canopy looks a bit odd. Bit pointy in the middle. It may not be the outline as much as the shading.

[Supah]

Don't know skyraider :) You are the first one to mention this, it conforms to the drawings I have , I've shown this on F-16.net, to various people who flew the type and crewchiefs and I haven't heard this comment before. If it's wrong and they don't notice it then I don't think it's a priority ;) BTW small update

http://supah.chaotic.nl/profiles/f-16c/f-16c040407-IDF_test7.jpg

[Baron]

Great stuff! Will you also do the undercarriage?

[Supah]

Great stuff! Will you also do the undercarriage?

Who know's? But not at the moment :) First I have various Israeli variants to finish for a project.

[Supah]

http://supah.chaotic.nl/profiles/f-16c/f-16c060407-IDF-3.jpg

Some tests with an AMRAAM Shape, trying to figure out size and position :) Let me know what you think :)

[franken_johan]

I like the subject but Israelian vipers are much more colourfull than this.
Take a look at this day at Brno where I was able to capture a few:
http://www.johanfranken.nl/jofraphp/gal_main.php?fldr=Brno2004

[Skyraider3D]

I like the subject but Israelian vipers are much more colourfull than this.Yes that's the point I tried to make earlier - the colours need some more contrast. Otherwise it looks fab.

[Supah]

Hey guys :) I will be experimenting with the colourscheme a bit later, first I need to go to a Bob Dylan concert. If any of you guys have good pictures of various rockets and bombs then I'd be more then thankfull to recieve them :)

[Supah]

After 27 years the RAF finally comes to it senses :P

http://supah.chaotic.nl/profiles/f-16c/F-16C-RAF-111SQN.jpg

Just kidding ;)

[Galgot]

Sacrilege :lol: look very good.
Anyway, RAF used Phantoms, So...

[Supah]

Been messing with a droptank

http://supah.gotf.net/profiles/f-16c/f-16c210607.jpg

It's not finished yet but I am not all that satisfied with it.

[Baron]

For me the your F-16 looks great!

[Supah]

Worked on the tank, various bits and bobs on the airframe, added another weaponstation and added a WIP Mk.82 LD Bomb :)

http://supah.gotf.net/profiles/f-16c/f-16c111007.jpg

close up of the bomb

http://supah.gotf.net/profiles/f-16c/mk82111007.jpg

[digiartist]

very nice work Supah!

[kiwi123]

Indeed ! Still, it's always a bit weird seeing a beautiful rendition of a bomb...

Welcome to the header !!

[digiartist]

congrats on the header :)

[AVIATIONGRAPHIC.COM]

Bravo Lieuwe!
Ugo

[Supah]

Thanks guys! Always an honour to be in the header :D

[Supah]

You know what would look good, came across this the other day...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdYoct3o8rQ

Maybe a little animation of it???

You mean the tornado? I plan to do one but atm I have a lot of other planes in the waiting list :)

[thechapmanbrothers]

Sorry mate, posted it in the wrong spot. Although it does look awesome!

[krazycolin]

Congrats on the header!!! nice stuff...

[Lukem]

That looks excellent - congrats on the header!

[Supah]

http://supah.gotf.net/profiles/f-16c/930549-SC-ANG-260108.jpg

Working on a paintscheme for a customer, also making it from a block 30 to a block 50. As a part of that mod I've added the IFF antennea infront of the canopy though they are a bit hard to see at this scale :)

[Supah]

I need your help! I've had this one printed up at 1 meter length but a lot of the panel lines have turned out really jagged! :( I have no idea whats causing this because on the drawing they look a lot better. Does anyone have any experience with this and knows what is causing it?

[Skyraider3D]

My gutfeeling is that the image was not printed at the resolution you delivered it at and rescaled in a bad way. Some printshops do horrible things, like "nearest neighbour" rescaling, which would completely wreck any detail and lines.

How did you have it printed? Photo, canvas print, giclee, ...? And where?

Can you please make a photo of part of the print to show us what it looks like?

[Supah]

Well I had it printed through my italian publisher who contracted out a local printer, the one that does all their work. I was thinking about scaling myself. Perhaps I should try again with a better set up file. All the outlines and other lines on the profile look just great its just the panel lines and other very fine detail that gets messed up :( I will try and scan something tonight! Thanks Skyraider!

[Skyraider3D]

What I'd recommend is ask for the exact resolution they print at (size&dpi or pixels) and scale your images to exactly that size yourself. That may mean you'll have to submit several versions of each image for various print sizes, but at least you know what the image looks like that they'll print. I am pretty sure they've scaled the images in a less-than-perfect way. But there may be printer limitations too, so if you could make a scan of photo of the print that'd help. If you can, please include a ruler in the picture for scale.